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just got death in the family, and long halloween since thats all they had in stock. reading long halloween now and so far its awesome!! woop woop! |
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Posted on 07-01-2007 21:06 |
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I like side kicks so I would sugest A death in the family, Robin year 1, A lonley place of dieing And Robin a hero reborn. |
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Ok just read a death in the family and its awesome!
i liked long halloween too.
now time to llok for the rest!
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Posted on 13-01-2007 17:17 |
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Those "essentials" are good reads, but another great thing about Batman comic books is that you can find regular issues all over at dirt cheap prices. I've gone to flea markets and found various issues from the '80s and '90s for a buck a piece or even 50 cents, and they're often entertaining stories with good artwork, regardless of their impact on Batman continuity or historical significance.
Don't think this was mentioned, so you may want to check out the three-part "Blind Justice" in Detective Comics #598-600. It was written by Sam Hamm, screenwriter of Tim Burton's Batman, and released early that same year actually. The story introduces Henri Ducard, too.
Check out the link below for the covers and info on those issues, as well as other good issues from that time period (most with the great illustrations of Norm Breyfogle).
http://batmanytb.com/comics/titles/detectivecomics/501_600/
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Caleson wrote:
Those "essentials" are good reads, but another great thing about Batman comic books is that you can find regular issues all over at dirt cheap prices. I've gone to flea markets and found various issues from the '80s and '90s for a buck a piece or even 50 cents, and they're often entertaining stories with good artwork, regardless of their impact on Batman continuity or historical significance.
Don't think this was mentioned, so you may want to check out the three-part "Blind Justice" in Detective Comics #598-600. It was written by Sam Hamm, screenwriter of Tim Burton's Batman, and released early that same year actually. The story introduces Henri Ducard, too.
Check out the link below for the covers and info on those issues, as well as other good issues from that time period (most with the great illustrations of Norm Breyfogle).
http://batmanytb.com/comics/titles/detectivecomics/501_600/
Yeah, Blind Justice is a good one. Batman comics were printed so heavily during those years, there are hundreds of thousands of copies of every issue out there, and many of them are indeed quite cheap. In the mid '90s, once I had my first job, I spent quite a lot of time diggin through back issue boxes, and over the years I amassed a gargantuan Batman collection, often for under $1 per issue. The level of quality over the past few decades has been surprisingly high. I've really only had serious problems with some of the Batman books in the years between NML/"New Gotham" and the recent renaissance of the character post-Infinite Crisis. Pretty much anything from 1985-2001 is a safe bet.
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Posted on 20-01-2007 01:07 |
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I did notice they are tons of batman comics.
OK, just read "In the Demons hands" a collection of Ras Vs Batman stuff. It was a good read.
What you guys think on the NO Man Land vol1-5????
Thanks for the other info. I will check them out.
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Posted on 20-01-2007 09:48 |
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Have you read Knightfall parts 1-3 or Hush those are sweet!! Also check out the Robin and Nightwing comics! |
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Posted on 20-01-2007 16:04 |
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No i have not read Knightfall. Looks like i have to now
Whats the deal with Jason todd???? |
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Posted on 20-01-2007 21:28 |
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No Man's Land is fantastic. It's probably my favorite Bat-crossover of all time. Before reading, you'll do well to read the Cataclysm trade first. It's not totally necessary, but it's helpful, and well worth reading. There are a few one and two-part stories in the NML trades that aren't all that good, but they are definitely the exceptions. Overall, the stories are excellent.
Knightfall gets a bad rap, but it wasn't bad. People mainly dump on it because it hinged on a gimmick, but said gimmick was interesting and executed very well. The bad part is that only the first and third acts are collected in the 3 Knightfall trades. The massive second act, Knightquest, is still uncollected, so it'll take a lot of digging through back issue bins to complete. Most of them are easy to find, but the two issues of Justice League Task Force that kicked off the Bruce Wayne section of Knightquest are tough to come by.
Regarding Jason Todd, I don't know how much you know about the whole situation. Avoiding spoilers, I'll just say the two "Under the Hood" trades are decent and worth picking up, given their cheap cover price. They're definitely not among the best, though.
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Posted on 20-01-2007 22:53 |
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Drunken Fist wrote:
Regarding Jason Todd, I don't know how much you know about the whole situation. Avoiding spoilers, I'll just say the two "Under the Hood" trades are decent and worth picking up, given their cheap cover price. They're definitely not among the best, though.
I thought Under The Hood started brilliantly (the Black Mask & Mr Freeze team was pure evil), but I didn't really like the way it ended. I thought it was a great shame....... |
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Posted on 21-01-2007 04:49 |
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It was a letdown, honestly. Really, the whole return of Jason Todd thing would have worked best if they had just stuck to their guns in "Hush." THAT was the time to bring Jason back. After that, it seemed a sort of anti-climax to have him return as the Red Hood. Worse, the character has already been sqaundered in the Nightwing OYL arc by the craptastic Bruce Jones.
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It's too bad they decided to go the route they did with Hush. They had the setup for a great, unique story with a totally unexpected twist...and decided to go with the cliche.
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I don't think that they ever had the intention of bringing Todd back in Hush, from a writter's prospective you don't write everything in order, you come up with with an overall plot, begining and end, than you build on it til' you have a story.
I think Todd should have stayed dead in the ground, we get so many characters brought from the dead by Marvel that I always thought it was a testament to DC's integrity that they refused to bring Todd back... So much for that anyway.
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Yeah, I didn't think they switched mid-stream, I just thought it was a lousy decision in the beginning
As for Todd staying dead - I agree with you 100%. But, as long as they did bring him back, it seems like they had some great potential that didn't go anywhere near as far as it could've.
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Posted on 21-01-2007 21:03 |
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Drunken Fist wrote:Worse, the character has already been sqaundered in the Nightwing OYL arc by the craptastic Bruce Jones.
The crossover in Green Arrow #69-71 has been a better handling than those Nightwing issues of Red Hood. Same writer as "Under the Hood."
The Jones Nightwing issues were so bad that I dropped Nightwing until it was over. I doubt that any writer will be referring to those stories.
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Posted on 22-01-2007 00:58 |
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I also think Jason should have stayed dead, make no mistake. But since they did bring him back, "Hush" would have been the time to do it. The way that story played out, it was just a lame fake-out. It's just one of the reasons that overrated story is as bad as it is.
I don't follow Green Arrow because Winick's writing is so hit-or-miss, so I had no idea Jason had even appeared there. Hopefully, all the Nightwing OYL will be simply ignored by everyone.
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Posted on 22-01-2007 15:14 |
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Drunken Fist wrote:
I also think Jason should have stayed dead, make no mistake. But since they did bring him back, "Hush" would have been the time to do it. The way that story played out, it was just a lame fake-out. It's just one of the reasons that overrated story is as bad as it is. Can't disagree with you there. Most people seem to think Hush would've been the only time to bring him back, if ever. All the steam was taken out of his actual return through that odd little tease. I personally hated the idea of his resurrection in the first place, but at the same time, the "Red Hood" story was too tempting to pass up. While it was fun to read, I almost ignore Jason's return entirely in my personal concept of Batman continuity. As I've mentioned earlier, Denny O'Neil is quoted on the back of the Death in the Family TPB as saying "It would be a really sleazy stunt to bring him back," and I couldn't agree more.
Batman Annual #25 actually created some partially clever ties with Jason and the Hush story, but a lot of it was completely ridiculous. I won't spoil it for those that haven't read, but it's pretty insane.
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We get so many characters brought from the dead by Marvel that I always thought it was a testament to DC's integrity that they refused to bring Todd back... So much for that anyway. Yeah, I agree. Then again, they have been getting into that the past few years with the return of Oliver Queen, Hal Jordon, and Aquaman (if you count his brief death anyway - personally, I haven't read it). But overall, yes, it's annoying to see so many big characters die and return.
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I don't have enough information to give you the best report. However, I liked "Hush" very much, and I also liked Frank Miller's work (because of Carrie Kelley). I am otherwise in a learning curve when it comes to Batman.
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DC used to leave characters dead for the most part, but that went out the window once the powers that be decided the way to go was to do their damnedest to recreate the Silver Age. Hence, Connor Hawke was gone and Oliver Queen returned as Green Arrow, Kyle Rayner was shoved aside to bring back yawnmaster Hal Jordan, etc. Then, a slate of characters are killed solely so they can be replaced by people of minority races. (insert rolling eyes here) I won't deny that I like some of these new characters, the new Blue Beetle, for instance, but I really don't like how they felt the need to destroy other beloved characters needlessly. Even worse, it looks like the Question's days are numbered, and that's the one that finally made me angry. (I'm not a lifeless fanboy living in my mother's basement, this is a relative kind of anger I'm talking about here.) Characters who are just getting the kind of push they need-- the Question, for instance, has gotten a big push from his well-recieved appearances on the JLU TV show-- and still have loads of potential, are just being shoved aside so the DCU can be made a little more PC. And that just makes me sick.
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Posted on 23-01-2007 16:57 |
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Razhwurz wrote:
I think Todd should have stayed dead in the ground, we get so many characters brought from the dead by Marvel that I always thought it was a testament to DC's integrity that they refused to bring Todd back... So much for that anyway.
I think whenever stories are being written, it must simply be SO much easier to bring in a character that already exists. Creating a new hero/villian from scratch (that works) must be hard.... (I know I'm stating the obvious somewhat there, but it must be a large part of it).
I guess we just have suspend our belief a little and remember it's a comic (although I agree with everything you said).
Drunken Fist wrote: Even worse, it looks like the Question's days are numbered, and that's the one that finally made me angry. (I'm not a lifeless fanboy living in my mother's basement, this is a relative kind of anger I'm talking about here.)
We'll just have to trust you on that one! 
Seriously - personally speaking, I know there are more important things in my life than Batman/comics/DC - but it doesnt stop me occasionally getting right out of my pram; usually at the earliest opportunity.
& I'm not some lifeless fanboy living in..............
Also, in his own way, I think Question is scary! If I was a kid I think I'd find him a little disturbing (even though he's on our side!)
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