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Umm...I would have to say:
1: Kevin Conroy
2: Rino Ramano
3: Michael Keaton
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| Posted on 19-01-2006 17:37 |
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Batman
1 Kevin Conroy
2 Clark Bartram
3 Micheal Keaton
Bruce Wayne
1 Kevin Conroy
2 Adam West
3 George Clooney
( i know clooney and west did the worst batmen but they did pretty good bruces) *jlbatman*
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| Posted on 19-01-2006 17:50 |
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1. Christian Bale
2. Kevin Conroy
3. Michael Keaton
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| Posted on 19-01-2006 20:14 |
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Kevin Conroy. When that show came out, it was as if the Batman/Bruce Wayne in my head was finally there on the screen. Just amazing. |
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| Posted on 20-01-2006 17:47 |
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1) Kevin Conroy
2) Christian Bale
3) Michael Keaton
4) Val Kilmer
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| Posted on 05-05-2006 23:53 |
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From Best to Worst is:
1. Bale
2. Keaton
3. Conroy
4. Kilmer
5. West
6.Clooney
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| Posted on 06-05-2006 09:49 |
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Well first off I would separate live action from animation. Animation is still only two-dimensional and you can?t always get the subtleties than you can with live action.
Michael Keaton was for 16 years the definitive Batman. While many decried ?Mr. Mom? becoming Batman, he took the role and redefined it for a generation. What sets Keaton apart from the others is his comic timing.
Christian Bale was a relative unknown when he put on the cape and cowl. He benefited from a script and director who stayed true to the source and produced an epic Batman film that will no doubt stand the test of time the way 1989?s Batman has. Still Bale has only done the role once, while Keaton has done it twice. So lets see what Bale can do for his follow up.
Kilmer and Clooney are both fine actors, but were stuck with lousy scripts and direction. I think Clooney had a great look as both Wayne and Batman and he could have been a lot better than he was. Kilmer I thought was too young as Wayne and too stiff as both characters.
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Adam West. The mid 60?s TV show was great for its time. Just look at how many A-List Stars at the time appeared on it. I watched it as a kid and now all these years later its still fun to watch. Although its not definitive Batman now, it was for its time.
In Animation, Kevin Conroy has owned Batman for many years. He?s played Batman more than any other actor. BTAS was ground breaking and truly animation at it?s finest.
The Batman is not great animation, but it?s passable. The stories could be better on some, but this new take on Batman still has its merits. Rino Romano is doing a fine job voicing Wayne and Batman, but he?s no Kevin Conroy.
Live Action:
1). Keaton / Bale
2). West
3). Clooney / Kilmer
Animation:
1). Conroy
2). Romano
3). Olan Soule (Superfriends)
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| Posted on 06-05-2006 15:18 |
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FlaBat wrote:
Live Action:
1). Keaton / Bale
2). West
3). Clooney / Kilmer
Animation:
1). Conroy
2). Romano
3). Olan Soule (Superfriends) Sounds about right to me, and saved me some typing. Although West's voice acting was about as good as Soule. Hard to name the better of the two, but I do enjoy Soule.
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| Posted on 29-07-2006 06:32 |
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the best are -in order- Kevin Conroy; Christian Bale; Michael Keaton
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| Posted on 12-08-2006 15:41 |
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1: Christian Bale; he was the most three dimensional Batman on screen, because Bale is an enormously talented character acter, and because Nolan is mainly a drama director.
2: Michael Keaton; Second most three dimensional Batman.
3: Kevin Conroy; The definitive Batman Voice.
Now for some reason people are listing Batman and Bruce Wayne seperatly, which is odd because each actor has portraid both in each movie, I guess you don't realise they are the same character; no that is not a burn, I'm just saying you guys put to much thought into the duality of the character, when there is none. When Bruce Wayne is acting like a ass, it's Batman pretending to be a ass, Two-face is the one with split-personality.
You'll note that the two best Batman performances, Bale's and Keaton's, do not explore any duality at all, it's because the actors are thinking of the character as a person, not a walking gimmick.
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| Posted on 13-08-2006 18:10 |
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There's a simple reason why they can be listed seperately: each actor is playing two seperate characters. For example, if Michael Keaton plays a good "Batman" and a nearly idenntical "Batman Without His Mask," then he isn't playing a good Bruce Wayne. If Val Kilmer plays a good "Bruce Wayne" and a nearly identical "Bruce Wayne dressed as Batman," then he's not playing a good Batman.
The Bruce Wayne persona is defined in a large part by his seperation from the Batman persona: if the characters are identical other than a mask, then the actor playing the part has missed one of the roles. It shouldn't be just "Batman pretending," Bruce should be a whole three-dimensional character that acts, speaks, and moves completely differently. |
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| Posted on 13-08-2006 23:46 |
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i'm the best batman! no im just kidding.
the only live action batman i've ever liked was bale.
and as for animation, kevin is definetely the best. but it seems like romano is trying to get his voice to go lower in the 4th season. im anxious to hear it! maybe i will have a new favorite.
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| Posted on 14-08-2006 14:58 |
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spencer1984 wrote:
There's a simple reason why they can be listed seperately: each actor is playing two seperate characters. For example, if Michael Keaton plays a good "Batman" and a nearly idenntical "Batman Without His Mask," then he isn't playing a good Bruce Wayne. If Val Kilmer plays a good "Bruce Wayne" and a nearly identical "Bruce Wayne dressed as Batman," then he's not playing a good Batman.
The Bruce Wayne persona is defined in a large part by his seperation from the Batman persona: if the characters are identical other than a mask, then the actor playing the part has missed one of the roles. It shouldn't be just "Batman pretending," Bruce should be a whole three-dimensional character that acts, speaks, and moves completely differently.
They aren't different characters. They are the same person, you see when Bruce Wayne was about eight years old his parents where murdered right before his eyes. After years of being haunted by that moment, where if he had acted he could have saved his parents lives, he decided to redeem himself and save Gotham. So he traveled the world for years, learning skills such as chemistry, acting, martial arts, tracking and forensics. When he first attempted to use these skills as a vigilante he failed, and realised he needed a frightening desguise, and thus he became Batman. But he soon realized that a reclusive billionare was to obvious a candidate for Batman, so he began acting like a billionare should, arogant and a ladies man.
You see nowhere in that story does Bruce develop split personality, the Bruce and Batman being differant characters only serves to two dimensionalise the character. Sure there are things he'll do as Bruce that he wouldn't as Batman, and vice versa; but they are the exact same person, no duality involved.
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| Posted on 14-08-2006 16:11 |
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I'm quite familiar with his history, thanks :p
I didn't say there was a split personality at work: I said that Bruce Wayne and Batman are two seperate, defined characters. Both of these characters are the same man, but they bear no resemblance to one another in any way, shape, or form. This concept is well established in pretty much every continuity, from the comics to the animated series.
Bruce is the millionaire (billionaire in more recent tellings) playboy, more interested in girls, cars, and sports than any dealings with the "real world." He's affable, if not too bright (or at least, not very observant) and can even be somewhat accident prone if caught in an unusual situation. He tends to speak with a light, airy pitch that makes people feel at ease.
Batman is serious, quiet, and intelligent. He wastes no effort in movement, is incredibly observant, and speaks directly and succinctly. His presence is made to make people feel afraid, even those that see him as reassuring because of his efforts to help. His voice is something that people listen to and obey.
To elaborate on my earlier example: Michael Keaton's scene in Vicki's apartment (when confronting the Joker) is out of character for Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne wouldn't walk directly up to a homicidal maniac and call him out. Batman, acting as Bruce, would find a way to defuse the situation and make it look like an accident (i.e. Christian Bale's Bruce pretending to be drunk to rid his house of potential victims). |
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| Posted on 14-08-2006 22:13 |
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They aren't two different characters, The Bruce that you mention is really Bruce acting and the Batman you mention is the real Bruce.
The only thing that treating them as seperate characters does is two-dimensionalize the character.
A good example is Rino Ramano's portrayal in The Batman, when he isn't wearing the mask he is a laid back billionare, but the exact instant he puts on the mask he becomes a dark vigilanty of the night, such clearly defined lines are unbelevable, and thus detract from the quality of the performance and giving him a corny, borderline split-personality.
A much better performance was Christian Bale's in Begins, When Bruce is alone or with Alfred he is the same man who scrambles over the rooftops of Gotham, the only time he's the laid back billionare is when he is acting out in public, that is much more belevable and makes for an exelent three-dimensional character with layers; each moment that he acts out he is disgracing his fathers name and throwing away any hope of a life as Bruce Wayne, but he still does it so that he can protect others as Batman.
See, Christian Bale aproches Bruce as a single character, there are things he'll do with his mask on that he wouldn't do without it, and vice versa, but he portrays the charater in a way that makes him a symbol of heroism that rivals Superman and even Spider-Man, but no one else can because they are weakening the character with way to much duality.
P.S. Props to anyone who figured out the "his mask" referance by now. 
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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| Posted on 15-08-2006 08:55 |
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I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe that's the only way of looking at it.
To me, the sharp definition can be good and welcome. Just because one is an act doesn't make it any less of a personality. Does Batman suffer from a multiple personaliy disorder? No, not any more than any good actor. But, the person who is acting must create a "real" character. If Batman didn't make Bruce Wayne a whole, believable character, then his secret identity is shot.
Going back to the topic at hand, you can look at the "split" reviews like this: what if Bruce Wayne didn't appear in any of the movies or TV shows? What if we only had Batman, in costume? We would obviously cast our votes based on what the "Batman" personality and physical presence should be. Michael Keaton would score very highly, and George Clooney would score towards the bottom end of that scale. Those positions may be switched, though, if we were watching a movie about Gotham's high society with no mention of the cape & cowl set.
Should a failure as one persona count as a failure for the actor overall? Probably. The dual nature of Batman/Bruce Wayne has been a major component since the very beginning. If an actor is unable (or unwilling) to create and use both personas, then they have failed with the overall character. That doesn't mean that we can't enjoy certain aspects of a performance, such as Keaton's delivery of "I'm Batman" or Clooney's scene with Alfred near the end of B&R. Ideally, we want an actor like Bale who can combine and deliver both without making either one uncomfortable. |
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| Posted on 15-08-2006 13:14 |
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I think I speak for the majority of forum members when I say I'm backing Spencer on his position. You can discuss the Bruce Wayne/Batman dynamics forever, but all Spencer's trying to say is that the two are different, distinct characters. He's not implying that Bruce Wayne has developed two separate personalities embedded deep within his psyche; he's simply stating that they're two different characters and, therfore, two different roles that must be acknowledged and performed distinctly from each other.
Keaton's was one of the most extreme renditions in the way that his Bruce Wayne was too similar to his Batman while Clooney's Batman was too similar, if not identical, to his Bruce Wayne. I think everyone would agree that they both need to at least be acknowledged and played as their own regardless of how or why Wayne actually devises them (only when he's in public, only round criminals, etc).
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| Posted on 15-08-2006 13:52 |
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Bruce Wayne and Batman are two seperate characters as far as the actors are concerned. You can debate whether or not the whimisical Bruce Wayne still exists until you are blue in the face, but you can not deny that the way that you would portray the characters is significantly different.
There are dozens of examples of how each character (just go with me that they are different to save me some typing) acts in all 5 movies. Some of the actors were able to protray them as different people (Keaton and Bale), but others basically played the same role in or out of the suit (Kilmer and Clooney). They all had their moments that they slipped and played the dual roles the same or they made them diverse. Some just played them seperately more.
It only makes sense to list how you thought each actor played Bruce Wayne and Batman since when you are acting as them you are not going to do the same thing. These people do not become the character they just play a part. So they have to look at it as playing two characters.
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| Posted on 15-08-2006 15:14 |
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First, if the duality is removed, it's the fault of the writer or the director.
To me, the sharp definition can be good and welcome.
It's not belevable that the instant Bruce removes his cowl he becomes a laid back billionare, he's in the batcave for Pete's sake, any one who's in there already knows he is Batman.
And on the flip side, some of the best performances the duality is subtle, in Begins he only acts rude when he has to, when he's in the cave he is the same man that lost his parents.
I'm not saying the duality is a bad thing, but when it's hammed up to the point the the character is split in half, it ruins the character.
And the actor should aproach Bruce as one character, when he's acting rude he's still thinking like he would out aganst Ra's Al Ghul or The Joker. There should be some contrast but if you seperate Bruce down the middle, he becomes a gimmick.
Never start with the head; the victim gets all fuzzy!
R.I.P. Heath
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Razhwurz wrote:
It's not belevable that the instant Bruce removes his cowl he becomes a laid back billionare, he's in the batcave for Pete's sake, any one who's in there already knows he is Batman. Not to sound rude, but that's not exactly what we (Spencer, Darknight, and I) are debating. We're simply saying that two different chacters need to be presented in the films by Bruce Wayne/Batman; therefore, we like to critique the different ways this has been executed throughout the films. No one's arguing over the specifics of when or how the two should be presented. In fact, I agree with most of what you're saying in that aspect, so again, the 'how' and 'when' are not the argument we're making. Ya feelin' me, playa? 
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